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Post by bigmemph on Apr 28, 2010 19:56:34 GMT -6
Shoot it up like a junkie
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Post by mikethadude on Apr 29, 2010 11:15:12 GMT -6
little hard on everyone but the seahawks haha...
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Post by bigmemph on Apr 29, 2010 11:40:11 GMT -6
it's funny you say that. i wrote this in 2 pieces. I did the NFC West adn South first and I guess I was in a good mood because I was way more lenient there than for the other divisions. I really liked what the Seahawks did and I give them bonus points for the trades they made with their draft picks. And they did literally steal Lendale White.
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Post by mikethadude on Apr 29, 2010 14:27:38 GMT -6
yea i think they had agreat draft too....i loved what the bucs did the first two days...they completely upgraded their wr corps too...benn will be a beast and williams could turn into a steal if he keeps his stuff together
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Post by tbrown115 on Apr 29, 2010 14:46:19 GMT -6
I'm completely bias in this and I don't care cause all my sports teams suck and the draft=hope. I think the Bucs absolutely killed it. At first, I was kinda upset about the A-, but then I saw every one else's grades haha. The Seahawks definitely had a better draft than the Bucs. Other than that, I don't know if anyone topped them. We couldn't stop the run last year. And with two picks, boom. I got to see more of Brian Price than I ever wanted to the last two years against Tennessee. Great value in the 2nd round. Love the WRs. I, unlike most people, love Josh Freeman and Josh Johnson, too. I'm not sold on Raheem at all, but I'm a little excited about what may go on in Tampa.
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Post by bigmemph on Apr 29, 2010 15:20:19 GMT -6
I'm just sayin' it's not easy to get an A in my class. You had to do something in the top middle and bottom of the draft. Address needs and get value. I tried not to give teams too much credit for getting lucky by having a guy magically fall in their lap. But I said in the post DT is the most important position in Tampa 2 and the Bucs got 2 legit starters that will compliment each other well. I can't wait to watch those 2 guys play next year. I think the Bucs are still missing some pieces, but they are definitely on the way up. Final thought: I think Freeman can be good, I'm just not sure they have the coaches to get him there.
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Post by semperfi11 on Apr 29, 2010 18:21:38 GMT -6
yes, i (phipps) just joint this site. thank you thank you, please hold your applause until i am finished.
nfc draft grades, honestly i don't care about anyone except the nfc east because i was a cowboys fan before i was born, due to God's wonderful predetermination that He should be able to watch their games, that they be studs in the 90s, that they enter a slump so that they could be redeemed in due time, and so that i could be born a Texan and raised a true blue big D fan.
God is good. Amen.
on sean lee. disagree. dez, agree.
lee provides a tenacity and an instinct to the D that we have not had in years. yes we have the best defensive player in the league (please start the arguing, but remember you football fans that stats and tape do not lie; the tape never lies) in #94, but while he is constantly providing pressure even when being double- and triple-teamed, someone has to cover in the middle. as you may have noticed, our other lb's have taken the last couple of years off (besides bradie james, sec shoutout) to sip girly drinks under umbrellas on the beach, figuratively speaking of course.
while D. Ware hounds qb's someone has to cover the most important part of the field, the middle. lee, and i'm not a penn st. fan, is another of a long breed of psu lb's. he has good instincts that will def improver over time and he has something that bobby carpenter lacks, intelligence. bobby carpenter has been the ruin of many Cowboys games. he came on strong at the end of the year, but i really think it was because he felt the all too famous nfl noose around his neck saying he'd be headed to free agency and no one would pick him up. but, even though carpenter created some influential turnovers (biggest and most important plays in football) and had a couple of sacks, i believe, he still could not, cannot, and will never be able to cover in zone or man. he sucks bad. bad.
lee can. or at least he could in college, hopefully that will translate. he was trained well at psu, i think he'll be better than carpenter for sure. i just hope he becomes the beast in the middle we've been missing.
on drafting cody. cody is a 4-3 nose tackle. his job is to disrupt running lanes. he does well obviously. dallas runs wade phillips 3-4. ratliff gets the job done all the time and his backup is sam bowen who had some big plays whenever he was in.
cody probably wouldn't fit in a 3-4. different scheme different responsibilities. correct me if i'm wrong but 3-4 nt's are smaller and quicker, big de's in the middle if you will. 4-3 guys are just run stopping beasts. they anchor the line and the others are freed, especially mlb because of their play.
redskins, suck. mcnabb was a good add but he's lost his touch. he does have a moss on his team now who in my quiet opinion is one of the best wr's in the league but has never had a chance to show his skills to their full potential due to never having an even decent qb. his routes aren't just crisp, they're amazing, his quickness is elite, and his speed is excellent. advice, draft santana high in fant football. mcnabb might look better this year but overall the redskins won't. their trent williams pick was good, because ware has terrorized them for years. i think the reason for the pick was that obvious.
the eagles are dumb to put it all on kolb but maybe he'll prove me wrong. desean jackson is all they have, and yes he's that impressive. mccoy might come on strong this season though. their draft was weird. personally i would've taken pierre-paul. their pass rush sucked last year and tony had all day the times they played. maybe graham from michigan will pan out though. he is a great athlete and they always put out good defensive players.
the giants got one of the best deals of the draft taking mitch petrus from arkansas, and i'm not just saying that because i'm a hogs fan. look at his resume' (that's supposed to be an accent). before petrino got to fayetteville, nutt recruited amazing run blocking beasts for mcfadden and jones and others before them. petrus was the last of those. the giants should still be pretty good, they've got a manning (whose whiny, pitiful looks i will always despise and mock) and they've got great young wr talent. watch for nicks. their d has always been good and their pass rushers are great when healthy. if jacobs doesn't have a good year, watch for them to go for a free agency or draft rb. i bet he does, but they're so focused on running the ball that it will definitely be an issue if he doesn't produce. their backfield is stacked, but it's not dallas.
barber, jones, and choice? yes, romo's options will open up even more this year with bryant added to the mix and a strong running game to complement the wr's we have. roy must produce. if he doesn't, he's out. i believe he can. he did it as a rookie and a second and third year guy on one of the worst teams in nfl history when they had no one else to throw to, long before johnson arrived. i know he can do it, i just don't know what's causing the problems.
i know this was lengthy but i had to throw it all out there at once. please ladies, let's talk football.
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Post by semperfi11 on Apr 29, 2010 18:32:32 GMT -6
i forgot my man keith brooking. he brought an added intensity to the defense that hasn't been around for awhile. his cover skills are so-so, but his run stopping instincts and quickness proved great throughout the year. if you haven't seen his pregame chants, look it up on youtube. it got me goin good. apparently his wife was completely caught off guard by it. he's an nfl vet by all means and she had never seen or noticed that intensity haha. the reason i like lee is because he's the first we've drafted in a long while besides butler who plays outside. brooking is old and james is getting there. they're both still very well qualified to start for a team primed to make another playoff run, but i have always complained about the middle of the field being entirely too open and lee is supposed to stop that within a few years.
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Post by tbrown115 on Apr 29, 2010 19:06:21 GMT -6
Im gonna agree with you on Ware being the best pass rusher in football. I can't really call him the best defensive player because there's such a disparity in assignments. Cover corners, pass rushers, run stoppers, hitting safeties, centerfield safeties, etc. Ware is a beast though and I love the Lee pick to compliment him.
I'm gonna disagree on Cody. Alabama plays a 3-4. He anchored that 3-4 defense. 3-4 NTs are supposed to be huge, two gap lineman. They're supposed to occupy as much space and blockers as possible to allow more room for the two linebackers to come free. The Ravens have had the biggest NTs in their 3-4 and that has been part of the reason that Ray Lewis has had such a stellar career (along with obvious skills). Same thing can be said for Rolando McClain playing behind Cody, in my opinion. But then again, there are people who know more about football than I do.
Dez oozes talent and was obviously a great pick. I was one of his biggest fans in college. The Cowboys O is gonna be loaded. Unfortunately for you because I know how much of a fan of Roy Williams you are, this is the beginning of a very quick end for him. As for other Cowboys, I really like Choice. Felix needs to stay healthy. So does Marion Barber. But Tashard Choice is a beast. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up getting traded. Too much value and skill to not see the field if the other two somehow stay healthy.
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Post by bigmemph on Apr 29, 2010 20:25:53 GMT -6
It's not that I don't like Sean Lee. I just would've taken Charles Brown, OT out of USC and picked up a MLB later because I thought Brown was a better value there. I actually do like Sean Lee. He was a beast (when healthy). But it wasn't necessarily a bad pick, I just couldn't find another one I might would have done differently.
As far as the NT situation, I'll try to clear something up being the only person here who has ever played interior d-line...There are basically two schools of thought for the NT in the 3-4. 1 is the Jay Ratliff- athletic and fast he gives the center problems because of his speed off the ball so the center has to get help from the snap. This is actually the more rare type of NT. 2. The more common NT in the 3-4 is a behemoth. They require a double, if not triple team. Think Vince Wilfork, Casey Hampton (Texas boy), and Mt. Cody. Their job is to collapse the pocket from the middle and keep blockers off the 2nd level. Case in point...I don't know if you remember when Simmons toyed with the 3-4 for a couple weeks your senior year, Phipps, but we tried it because you could play Gab or I one at a time and we could take on the double team and while the other go to rest when we were shallow at DT, that was before Kee's development. The other thing that enabled us to do that is having 2 big strong d-ends, Willy and Pooh, which leads me to my next point.
You are right about the DE's. They are bigger than 4-3 ends, but again you have less down linemen so they all have to be prepared to handle more blockers. They're purpose also is to stop the run and let the OLB's rush the passer. Basically in the 3-4 the NT is responsible for both A gaps, the 5's are responsible for the C gaps and try to squeeze the OL down to close up the B at the same time, while the ILB's hold down the B's. That's overly simplified and you can stunt and mix things up, but that in a nutshell is the idea behind the 3-4. As I said about the 3 tech in the Tampa 2 being the most important position on the field the same could be said for the NT in the 3-4, you could make a case for OLB though.
The reason I liked Cody for the Cowboys is they have the rare kind of NT and I just thought having the big mauler as a change of pace NT could really wear on an O-Line. Being a former center I can tell you it is hard to go from blocking a big bear to blocking a fast guy who gets up underneath you. You handle them completely differently. I just think having both would provide a competitive advantage for the Dallas "D".
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Post by semperfi11 on Apr 29, 2010 20:30:12 GMT -6
yeah i've heard they might and i'm worried they will. his junior year he was projected as a first rounder maybe a top ten pick i think. screwed up his knee as a senior and fell to the boys. when i saw they drafted him i was excited. he came up huge in a lot of games at the end of the year when the other two were injured.
i also didn't clarify what i meant by ratliff and cody. why draft a guy when you have a stud at that position already, and a very solid backup? that was supposed to be my main point. i think cody will be great wherever he goes. if you can dominate sec games by just being present on the field, you will usually do well in the league. there are exceptions obviously.
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Post by bigmemph on Apr 29, 2010 20:44:20 GMT -6
yeah i didn't know who the backup was at NT because I don't follow them that closely.
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Post by belushiclone on Apr 29, 2010 21:36:10 GMT -6
Extremely productive NT/3-4 debate. I have nothing to add.
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Post by tbrown115 on Apr 29, 2010 21:46:59 GMT -6
Great post
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